00:01.03 Gary Gray All set? 00:02.91 Gary Gray All right. Welcome to Corridor Conversations, a podcast segment on NCTE's classroom corridors, sharing expertise and inspiration from elementary teachers. 00:13.69 Gary Gray I'm your host, Gary Gray Jr. 00:15.87 Nick Thank you. 00:15.60 Gary Gray And today, today, I am so excited. I am so excited. It took us a little while, but we made it. But we made it. have educators and friends with me from lots of different parts of North America who do amazing work with kids. 00:30.52 Gary Gray And I'm just super excited to be with them today. um Can we start in no particular order, just with like your name, what you do in education and where you are located? 00:41.84 Nick All right, I'll start. um I'm Nick and I live and work and in Toronto at the TDSB and um I'm ah kind currently a kindergarten teacher and what do they call us? so Kendi lifers. 00:57.17 Carrie Yeah. 01:01.06 Katie Keier I'll go next. um I'm Katie and i am in Alexandria, Virginia, just outside of Washington, D.C. And i am also a kindergarten teacher and um I think I've turned into a kindergarten lifer as well. 01:16.65 Gary Gray Thank you. 01:18.52 Carrie I'll go next. I'm Carrie Marshall. I was a kindergarten lifer. I was a kindergarten teacher for decades upon decades. This is my first year now, though, that I'm a literacy coach for kindergarten, technically to grade nine, but really grade six. 01:35.46 Carrie And I teach in um Prince Edward Island, Canada. 01:38.95 jodi.simpson And I'm Jodi, and I teach kindergarten in Colorado, and I'm kind of a newbie. This is my sixth year at kindergarten, my 24th year teaching, but I've taught from preschool to second grade, and I have become a kindergarten wifer. So... 01:53.11 Gary Gray I love that. And Nick, i have to shout you out because like, I don't see a lot of male educators in a lower elementary. 01:58.48 Carrie Yes. Okay. 02:00.28 Gary Gray I've always been in lower elementary. It's my first year back into second grade and I love it. I really, really do. um They love you even more as they get younger. and I'm just, I see you, I see you and I appreciate you so much, but we. 02:12.15 Carrie yeah 02:12.63 Katie Keier Good show. 02:15.09 Nick I was going ask you, how many times have you been called mom or dad? 02:19.96 Gary Gray Every day. 02:20.95 Nick Right? 02:21.82 Gary Gray Absolutely every day. but They are such kindred spirits. And I, again, I truly enjoy the time I spend with with kids in lower elementary. 02:32.21 Gary Gray ah We also have Laura Lee who hangs out with you guys very, very often. 02:35.10 Carrie I don't know. 02:35.21 Gary Gray So I don't want to start without shouting her out. She can't be with us today, but I hear so much about your group and i I heard through conversation. I heard through email and I'm so curious of just like some of the things you do to help each other. 02:49.65 Gary Gray So the first question I have is, 02:51.86 Nick Thank you. 02:51.71 Gary Gray This group has been described as feeling seen, safe, supported. um What has been, you know, a part of this community that has done like, you know, the personal and the professional well-being? 03:07.20 Gary Gray Like what has really come out in this group that has helped you through your educational journey? 03:12.84 Nick i think I think we should start off with Katie describing how we got together in the first place, because that kind of formed our or ethos. 03:21.99 Carrie Yeah. 03:23.38 Katie Keier Yeah. Yeah. Um, So um flashback to a time that I think we'd all rather forget, um you know, that March of 2020, when all of a sudden we heard we are going on virtual kindergarten in the but the COVID times. 03:35.87 Gary Gray e 03:38.39 Katie Keier And um I knew all these fabulous educators through Twitter, the old Twitter, when it was such a ah rich place for professional growth and development. 03:46.74 Nick Yeah. 03:48.86 Katie Keier And i just kind of, I said, I feel so isolated, so alone. And I don't know how to teach kindergarten virtually. And so I just threw out a huge nut to all these educators and said, hey, you work with young children. 04:03.33 Katie Keier You are, you know, I admire your pedagogy. 04:03.56 Carrie Yeah. 04:06.10 Katie Keier How can we get together and figure this out together? How can we create a community of how do we teach virtual kindergarten and keep things that we know are at the heart of our work? play and inquiry. 04:16.25 Carrie yeah 04:17.95 Katie Keier And um at that time also, um you know, and now um the the huge focus on anti-racist, anti-bias teaching and in such a tumultuous time. um So we had a huge group at the start and we started meeting weekly. And um over time, it kind of trickled down to this wonderful core group. And we just, you have We have a weekly time that we meet. We don't meet every week. Sometimes life gets busy. 04:45.96 Katie Keier um But I'd say we check in at least a couple times a month for our meeting. And, um you know, I just think, I mean, this group has gotten me through some of the most challenging times in teaching from COVID to um taking on a year I dipped down into Head Start and and played around a bit with teaching pre-K and then back into kindergarten and just 04:54.36 Carrie I mean, it's crazy. 05:08.62 Katie Keier Any time that I have felt um wondering about my practice, questioning my practice, pushing back on things that I knew weren't best for children, um and just wanted to be part of a group of joyful, like-minded educators that, while we may vent, we always end with, how can we do what's best for children? 05:27.73 Carrie Yep. 05:28.29 Gary Gray I love that. I love that. And it's so interesting having these conversations with other educators and the amount of times that COVID comes up. And we say it, and I think it's valid when I say this, like COVID was just really, really hard for everyone. 05:45.13 Gary Gray um And then and there's this odd thing about COVID that kind of brought some people together, which is also this like, you know, double-edged sword, like this awful thing happened, but the same time, 05:57.71 Gary Gray it brought you guys together. 05:58.23 Katie Keier Yeah. 05:58.75 Gary Gray And I think it's a great segue into just like what this, what did this group do for you guys specifically? 05:59.28 Katie Keier yeah 06:04.37 Gary Gray So Carrie, Jody, Nick, like what is something that you got out of this group during that time? 06:11.18 jodi.simpson Well, I have to say, i um when I first started teaching and i was in I've been with the same teachers is for over 20 years, and as a mother, I always just played and we cooked and we read stories and we made stories. 06:26.87 jodi.simpson And then I faced what public school was like as a teacher. My kids were in school. 06:30.76 Katie Keier Thank you. 06:32.43 jodi.simpson And I was so shocked how different the feeling was. And it was always a mismatch in my heart. Like, this doesn't really feel right. Why is this not feeling right? And then it took so many years of me finding ways to put in the play in different pieces. 06:47.37 jodi.simpson But then through COVID, when I started teaching outdoors, when I got to meet Katie and be part of this group, I was like, impaired to say, yeah, they are gonna play and they are gonna sing and they're gonna write stories. And it's gonna look like what a five-year-old story looks like. 07:03.12 jodi.simpson It's going to be real and it's gonna feel good. 07:03.08 Gary Gray I 07:05.80 jodi.simpson And it's gonna feel safe for me. I didn't feel so crazy because sometimes I think, am I the only one here? I'd look around and wait a minute. I don't, this doesn't feel right. This feels so right. And I think I've become such a stronger person in who I am as a teacher now. 07:22.24 jodi.simpson because of this group. So I feel like could be myself and let the kids be themselves. 07:24.90 Gary Gray love that. I love that. 07:28.56 Katie Keier Like that validation. I feel like we're always validating each other. 07:30.38 Carrie Yep. Yep. 07:31.64 Katie Keier Like we'll come and say, i have no idea. 07:32.14 Carrie yeah 07:33.44 Katie Keier what ah what is this? Am i completely off track? And, you know, this conversation, this rich conversation, these critical friends that are willing to call us out on things that, yeah, maybe you are off track and, you know, help us really refocus. 07:37.42 Gary Gray i 07:43.12 Carrie ye 07:45.07 Gary Gray you 07:48.18 Gary Gray and love that 07:49.55 Carrie When I was in the classroom, i I had at least four other, if not five other English kindergarten teachers. 07:49.93 Nick up 07:56.85 Carrie In Canada, we have what we call French immersion. So there's an English track and a French immersion track. So I taught English kindergarten. And I've always been play-based. Play has always been at the center of my pedagogy. 08:11.61 Carrie But it's interesting that even though I might have four or five other kindergarten teachers, I still felt alone in what I was doing because they would be more, i don't want to say traditional because I grew up in what I think is a traditional kindergarten, which is play-based learning. 08:27.68 Carrie But they were much more of that pencil pencil and paper kind of a classroom. 08:28.04 Gary Gray Mm-hmm. 08:32.24 Carrie So I know that coming to this group, I could finally say, oh, we did this and we did that. And oh, what did what would you do in this situation? And I had had kindred spirits to bounce ideas off of and learn from and everything. yeah And then people, and to nudge me along. 08:51.06 Carrie Nick has been, especially with his um anti-racist pedagogy, all of us, but Nick, especially with his perspective has really helped nudge me in in the right direction too, I think that way. 09:02.06 Gary Gray I love that. 09:04.38 Nick I was going to say that the the other thing that i um have gained so much from this group is that feeling of, um you know, it's good pedagogy, but it's also that push pushing back on what we know is wrong for kids, whether whether it is the anti-racist pedagogy, whether it is the, you know, anti play based pedagogy that's kind of so pervasive, especially in the States. 09:23.84 Carrie Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. 09:33.98 Nick But even here, when it's part of our curriculum and still it isn't the predominant pedagogy used and in most most spaces. 09:35.33 Carrie and 09:43.02 Nick And, um, It's hard to push back when you're when you're the only one or you feel like you're the only one. 09:48.71 Carrie yeah 09:50.41 Nick And I think having this group, um that that level of you know support, and and and we don't it's not just that we talk every you know one week or two weeks. 10:03.96 Nick it's We're chatting regularly a little chat group. It started on Twitter and it's moved to Instagram since Twitter went down the tubes with the with great peeps. 10:15.94 Nick Um, so we're daily chatting, we're daily sending messages of, um, um you know what It could be hope when when one of us is facing pushback against what we know is right um and just a little uplifting of spirits. 10:24.89 Carrie Mm-hmm. 10:30.03 Katie Keier Right. 10:33.61 Nick um ah to you know Someone's had a momentous life event, whether it's a health concern or or brand new grandkid that Jodie just had or a marriage and and how we're able to just celebrate that together. 10:33.81 Gary Gray It's 10:48.91 Nick um And that's me that that humanness has... has It's gone beyond just our our our professions. um and And it's such a powerful part of our of our lives, for me, for sure. 10:57.36 Carrie Yeah. 10:59.10 jodi.simpson Thank you. 11:02.55 Katie Keier Yeah. 11:02.72 Gary Gray ah it's It's so interesting. I think as teachers, we give, and I've said this before, we just give so much of ourselves to everyone, right? um And Katie, you mentioned what Jodi was asking and talking about in regards to validation. 11:17.93 Gary Gray Nick, you're mentioning things like celebrating each other. And I think that is something as teachers, we forget to do for ourselves sometimes because we are so invested in this group of kids, this group of parents, this school, this community. 11:29.56 Carrie yeah 11:32.54 Gary Gray system that we that we sometimes don't believe in sometimes believe it right? 11:36.69 Carrie yeah 11:37.61 Gary Gray So we're constantly having this battle with ourselves where I think sometimes we forget to really just sit and be happy about the things that we are doing for kids because we are constantly influencing and making sure that they are you know growing in their learning journey. 11:38.19 Katie Keier Mm-hmm. 11:52.76 Gary Gray um Carrie, you talked specifically about isolation and Nick, you shared a little bit about pushing back. 11:53.35 Katie Keier right 11:58.56 Gary Gray And I think it segues really good into the second question. about how teaching, especially with the values like play and liberation, can feel isolating in many situations. 12:10.27 Gary Gray How has this community helped you stay well while pushing back or standing alone in your school or district at that time? um And I'll speak for myself when I say it can be really, really hard. 12:24.67 Gary Gray but 12:25.79 Katie Keier yeah 12:25.71 Gary Gray um And I'm looking at you guys as a group and I can see how a group like this could really, really help you get through. um Can all of you or some of you speak on how this group specifically has helped in situations like that? 12:39.64 Nick Why don't we mention, why don't we talk about so what's been a big focus for us in the last few years, the last two years specifically around ah around the science of reading and um and how we've helped each other with that. 12:55.89 Katie Keier Yeah, absolutely. I think that has you know that has really helped me. I know um my district for the first time 30 some years adopted a scripted basal program that I really, really, really struggled with. And um I was so grateful to come to these people and hear such just here are different perspectives. I mean, I'll admit I sometimes came with just, it was bent. It was, I can't do this. I won't do this. It's not what's best for kids. 13:24.39 Katie Keier And I loved the but different perspectives where, you know, Carrie shared a lot of work that she had done with explicit phonics instruction in Wilson and how, and it it opened my mind instead of like, okay, no, it really helped me shift to this. 13:32.45 Carrie Yeah. 13:39.11 Carrie Really. Yeah. 13:40.13 Katie Keier Okay. We can do both. And 13:41.61 Carrie Yeah. 13:41.98 Katie Keier We can stay in this space of play and inquiry and engage children. 13:44.77 Carrie yeah 13:47.21 Katie Keier And, you know, I am a learner. I'm a huge learner. And I'm going to continue learning all that I can and making sure that I'm doing what's best for my kids. So it was a great sounding board and and just, you know, helping me move past my automatic like, no, I'm not doing this and into seeing what's possible. 14:01.56 Carrie yeah 14:05.22 Nick But at the same time, um you know supporting each other in and all the propaganda that we were seeing that was coming out of the science of reading movement where it was, this is all we do. 14:14.96 Carrie Yeah. Yeah. 14:18.29 Nick This is what this is what reading teaching reading means. And and and and our um in our hearts, Having a hundred years of experience together knew this is not the only way to do it. 14:29.78 Carrie yeah 14:33.25 Carrie yeah 14:33.79 Nick Not all kids will benefit from that in the in the same way. If that's all we do, we're going to turn kids off reading. and And to have this collective intelligence here, the collective wisdom of a hundred years reading. 14:46.03 Nick a great pedagogy to help support each other in standing strong in what we knew was not the best way to teach. 14:54.60 Carrie Yeah. Yeah. 14:55.63 Nick Also, and we we we we learned from each other ah better way to teach, but we also learned to stand strong against what we knew was not right. 14:56.58 Carrie ye 14:57.46 Katie Keier right. 15:04.61 jodi.simpson Yes. 15:04.95 Carrie yeah 15:05.52 jodi.simpson yes And connecting to that, we shared um different professional books that matched what we were we always are continually searching to do with kids. Because you know you take a little bit from each book that you find inspirational and how to work that together with your whole school program, what you're working on. 15:24.11 jodi.simpson And I feel like I learned so much more through this group than I ever did in college by the different books that were recommended, both picture books and poetry, but professional books. 15:28.51 Carrie yeah 15:30.27 Nick Oh. 15:31.28 Katie Keier Yeah. Mm-hmm. 15:35.09 Carrie yeah 15:35.34 jodi.simpson And I was able to get so many books just through my interlibrary loan. And I was like, see, this is out here. This is true. And I think it also broke my heart when people were getting so nasty about this with the science of reading. 15:47.73 jodi.simpson and like picking on people almost and humiliating them and cutting them down. 15:47.83 Katie Keier yeah 15:49.94 Carrie yeah 15:52.68 jodi.simpson And I'm like, I used Lucy Calkins. I thought it was like the hardest thing to teach if you did all the things. It was so rich. There was so many pieces of phonics. It was like, was very um it was very, it was very in depth. 16:03.75 jodi.simpson And I just felt like that was such a shame to see. And I and didn't hear other people really saying that. I heard more things about um the negativity side of it and 16:13.61 Katie Keier Yeah. 16:13.99 jodi.simpson I would just look at my friends and say, oh my goodness, and we don't have to be so nasty about this. 16:18.93 Carrie Yeah. 16:19.11 jodi.simpson now We've all used phonics. Who has never heard of teaching little kids phonics? 16:23.74 Katie Keier Right. 16:23.94 jodi.simpson you know You're singing in preschool. You're walking down the the sidewalk and you're sounding out frog. 16:26.60 Nick Oh. 16:28.73 jodi.simpson You're just going, frog, I see the 16:31.62 Katie Keier Yeah. 16:32.23 Carrie yeah 16:32.71 jodi.simpson You're doing it all the time. so 16:34.84 Katie Keier yeah 16:35.45 jodi.simpson and I carry them with me. Like I say, I just, I, I'm, I like, I'm doing something and I i see a book or I'm setting up something in the room. It makes me think of one of you. And it's like, um okay, well, what would Nick do right now in this situation? 16:48.62 Katie Keier Yep. 16:48.78 jodi.simpson What would yeah Katie or Laura Lee do? 16:48.98 Katie Keier Yeah. Yeah. 16:51.13 jodi.simpson And they're always like, I just, they, they come with me right in my teacher bed. 16:57.15 Katie Keier Yeah. yeah 16:58.14 Gary Gray I think that's so special. It reminds me so much of, um it's so funny. 17:00.60 Katie Keier and 17:01.77 Gary Gray I had a podcast with another friend named Patrick Harris, and he's a great friend of mine. He wrote a book called The First Five, and it's this book about his first five years of teaching. And it also has experiences from teachers from all walks of life in their first five years. 17:11.60 Nick Thank you. 17:16.63 Gary Gray And he talks about how specifically, without getting into the book, how teaching is such human work and how it is like 17:23.56 Carrie Yeah. 17:25.78 Gary Gray embodied in us to like just do these certain things to help mold these minds and hearing you guys talk about each other and the support that you have for each other is just like, it gives me goosebumps, honestly, because it is so special to have people like you um taking care of children and also taking care of each other. 17:38.06 Katie Keier Yeah. 17:43.42 Gary Gray So the last question I have for for us, and i don't know how we're going to do this, but what are some things we just genuinely love about each other? And that can be within like the work that you do amongst each other. 17:54.65 Gary Gray it could be small moments that you've had um let's Let's love on each other for a little bit. We all deserve, let's love on each other a little bit. 18:03.21 Katie Keier Well, I was so lucky. I got to go um spend a day in Jodi's classroom out in Colorado. um Funny kind of story. We connected via Twitter, and it turned out very randomly that she lives and teaches in a town that I lived in in the early 90s in Colorado. 18:22.15 Katie Keier We didn't know each other then at all. But I got to spend a day with her beautiful children in Cottonwood Kingdom, her outdoor space, and it just... um I had read a million books about outdoor teaching. I had done done the webinars, done the podcast, but spending a day with Jodi and just seeing her in that rich outdoor setting with her children. And I still, I mean, I took so many notes and so many gems and so many things in my heart that I do every day and think, oh, this i can this is all about Jodi. 18:50.97 Katie Keier And I also got to meet Nick when we presented at a conference together. Yeah. And, you know, really, you know, his work with, um you know, with anti-racist pedagogy and anti-oppressive teaching. And it just that is something i you know, I take the strength and the bravery of him every day when I go into my classroom. Yeah. 19:10.16 Katie Keier and And Carrie's love of play and just like always, you know, what would Carrie do? How can this be playful? 19:16.12 Carrie Thank 19:16.54 Katie Keier How can we, you know, put this into the sand table? How can we put this in the water table? And I just, I mean, like Jodi said every day and Laura Lee, she does so much work with brain-based teaching and growth mindset. 19:28.49 Katie Keier And, you know, I just was doing a lesson this morning on the brain and was thinking about Laura Lee. 19:29.96 Nick Oh. 19:33.91 Katie Keier So it's it is like Jodi said, it's all day, every day. 19:37.28 Gary Gray Y'all are like the Avengers. It's like, I'm like listening to all this like beautiful, you you guys are like the Avengers. 19:40.52 Katie Keier but 19:45.11 Gary Gray It's like you got a little bit of like everybody and everything. That's amazing. That's amazing. 19:49.52 Carrie it 19:49.60 Katie Keier We're going open a school together. 19:51.43 jodi.simpson Yes. 19:51.65 Katie Keier but 19:51.77 Carrie It's going to be the best school ever. 19:53.79 jodi.simpson Yes. 19:54.82 Katie Keier Life goals. 19:55.51 jodi.simpson That's right. 19:57.95 Nick i I'm going to say that the humanness, you mentioned that before, Gary. 19:57.76 Gary Gray Anyone else? 20:03.43 Nick um and And for me, that humanness of of these four people that I ah hang out with every day, you know, and and and and we truly do. 20:13.25 Carrie Yeah. 20:15.36 Nick It's it's that, um 20:17.89 Nick it's a reminder that does we're not a we're not our role. We're not our job. 20:22.09 Gary Gray Mm-hmm. 20:22.47 Nick We come come through this being a human first. 20:22.29 Gary Gray Mm-hmm. 20:22.69 Katie Keier Yeah. Mm-hmm. 20:26.69 Nick And when I am tired, when I am frustrated, when I am ticked off with my staff when I'm trying to do some... a workshop with them and and I get you know a racist comment and and I and i i have have a touchstone with these four people that I can come back to and I can, you know, whether it's just a need to vent and I get this humanness all of a sudden that that that floods me and and washes over that It could be anger, resentment of that that comment that I got during my my my PD session, and and it grounds me back again, and that allows me to keep on doing that work the next day and the next day. 21:04.23 Gary Gray Wow. Wow. 21:09.08 Nick and I'm not um i not even talking about the pedagogy, the incredible pedagogy these people bring to my life. 21:12.00 Carrie yeah 21:13.46 Katie Keier Thank you. 21:16.26 Nick um 21:15.89 Gary Gray he 21:17.00 Nick It's their humanness that is the most impactful for me. 21:20.92 Gary Gray wow 21:21.69 jodi.simpson Mm-hmm. 21:22.30 Carrie and it's the perspectives I just appreciate like every time especially in my new role as a literacy coach where I'm going in I might be planning pd I might be helping out a classroom teacher always think well what would 21:22.37 Gary Gray wow 21:35.66 Carrie What would Katie do in this situation? What would Jodi think? What would Nick say? 21:38.47 Gary Gray Mm-hmm. 21:40.54 Carrie You know, what would Laura Lee, what would Laura Lee's advice be? Because I just feel like we've gotten to know each other so well that like joe like Katie said, like we carry bits of each other with us each day. And I just, I really appreciate because I can be one that gets really caught in my own perspective and I forget to think about it from someone else's. 22:02.91 Carrie So I really, really, really appreciate that. The fact that we all have such the the same passion, but different perspectives to bring to it. 22:13.98 Katie Keier Mm-hmm. 22:16.02 jodi.simpson um It's like each of these friends has a superpower. It's like joy for Katie and it's like play for Carrie and it's anti-bias, anti-racism with Nick and it's the brain with Laura Lee and just the sweetness that Laura Lee carries with her all the time. 22:30.49 Carrie Yes. 22:30.69 Katie Keier Mm-hmm. 22:31.85 jodi.simpson um When I am having a hard day, i do think, how would my friends lift me up? And I know they would. I know they would say, because it's ive we've had hard days and the tears will fall and they'll say, no, 22:39.26 Katie Keier Mm-hmm. 22:39.02 Gary Gray Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. 22:41.92 Carrie yeah 22:44.76 jodi.simpson You're all right. you You're okay. We know really where you're coming from. 22:47.33 Katie Keier yeah 22:48.12 jodi.simpson We know that this is okay, Jodi, you're going to get through this. And so their little superpowers help me. I've got a picture of the brain up here. I've got all these things that are little pieces of them. 22:58.59 jodi.simpson And when I feel like I'm being hard on myself, when maybe I haven't been patient as I want to be, um i know that they would encourage me to say, it's all right. Just next hour is' going to be better. 23:10.37 jodi.simpson Tomorrow's to be better. 23:10.35 Gary Gray Wow. Wow. Friends, I mean, I think it's such a such a great way to end. I think the world today is going through so much. Education is going through so much. 23:20.99 Carrie Yeah. 23:22.02 Gary Gray But to see you four, I even and include Thoralee, like seeing you guys have this and knowing that it's possible, um it's it's such it gives me ah another reminder that we are doing amazing things um with all the things that are happening in the world. 23:36.91 Katie Keier Thank 23:39.04 Gary Gray Education is going to be in a good place, right? 23:42.83 Carrie yeah 23:42.59 Gary Gray We are doing really good work. And I just appreciate the time and the space that we spent with you today. I got goosebumps. 23:49.90 jodi.simpson Yes. 23:49.95 Katie Keier you. 23:50.02 jodi.simpson Yeah. 23:49.74 Gary Gray I don't know about you guys. I got goosebumps listening to you guys. 23:51.94 Katie Keier ah 23:53.17 Gary Gray So I really appreciate you. I'm sending all the positive vibes your guys' this way um and continue just, you know, fighting the good fight as we do. You're appreciated. 24:04.97 Katie Keier thank you 24:04.98 Nick For any new teachers, go find your peeps. 24:07.91 Katie Keier Yep. 24:07.95 jodi.simpson yeah 24:08.12 Carrie Yeah. 24:07.85 Gary Gray e 24:08.35 Katie Keier i was I was just going to say that. 24:09.10 Carrie Yes. 24:09.90 Katie Keier You read my mind, Nick. You've got to find your people. 24:11.56 Carrie And if you, and if they're not in your building, they're, they're somewhere, they are somewhere. 24:15.07 Nick Yep. 24:16.64 Katie Keier And they can, even if they're not in your same country. 24:16.66 Carrie I promise. 24:16.44 Gary Gray o 24:17.09 Nick Yep. 24:19.54 Nick Yep. 24:19.84 Carrie Even if we're in a different country. 24:19.57 Gary Gray Yes, yeah yeah yeah yes, 24:20.44 jodi.simpson ah 24:21.40 Carrie Exactly. 24:22.13 Katie Keier Yeah. 24:22.29 Nick Yeah. 24:23.26 jodi.simpson They're out. 24:24.64 Katie Keier Find them. 24:24.63 Gary Gray Thank you guys. Thank you. 24:26.24 Katie Keier It's critical. 24:26.74 jodi.simpson Thank you so much. yeah 24:27.97 Gary Gray right. I'm just going to, don't go off yet. I'm just going to pause it. 24:30.47 Carrie Okay.